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Hole Sale Traps · Mar 06, 2008, 06:46 AM // 06:46

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Originally Posted by Diddy bow

Would you buy a car with a scratch on it?

Considering how cheap and plentiful mods are why not buy the best?

isntthat the same as buying a used car..the outside looks clean cause of the fresh pain job yeah but you ever think of the inside carpets stained and riped seats sometimes, Also the +20% on enchanting some people like to guess correctly if they have time to run around and cast without the chant dropping out of nowhere (i know i do) some don't notice it some do.

Really this is about Why buy something not perfect if you can wait 5 more mins and someone with a perfcet stat item your looking for comes and sells for the same price as a non perfect.

HawkofStorms · Mar 06, 2008, 07:29 AM // 07:29

Skill is still more important.
If a good GvG guild with all +29 14^50 weapons fought a complete scrub guild with perfect weapons, the scrub guild would still get completely destroyed.

Bryant Again · Mar 06, 2008, 07:36 AM // 07:36

From a PvE standpoint, there shouldn't be any situations that are so drastic that a couple hitpoints will save you. If there are then you're doing something wrong. I also feel that it's less "no one wants them" and more that they'd be willing to buy the item at a very minuscule fraction of the price to that of a perfect one.

Carinae · Mar 06, 2008, 08:41 AM // 08:41

I'll use +28/29 on heroes. But if I'm equiping a nice (and often expensive) skin for myself, I'm gonna get perfects.

example:
Tormented items with +29s are fail.

*lemming* · Mar 06, 2008, 08:53 AM // 08:53

It's still skill over equipment because perfect equipment is stupidly easy to get, compared to other MMOs.

zwei2stein · Mar 06, 2008, 09:09 AM // 09:09

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

People do buy the +29 hp mods all the time, simply to save some money untill they can afford perfect mods.

That is kinda stupid.

You buy mod only to throw it away a bit later. They can as well save yourself trouble and money and buy perfect rightaway.

From itemization POV, imperfect is imperfect, deal with it. Small imperfections put together usually form bigger flaw:

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Ultra cheap person: Minor vitae, 25hp mods of hand/offhand: You miss 50hp (sup vigor). THAT is difference, and it means death/life.

Cheap person: Minor vigor, 28hp mods: You miss 24 HP. That is nearly one of those upgrades you miss. Would you do out without shield or sword suffix?
Because that is what you are doing.

Rational person: Major vigor, 29hp mods: you miss 11 HP. That is vitae rune out there or some survivor insignia. Seriously, if you had armor upgrade slot open, would you ignore ability to put there vitae rune/survivor insignia?

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But were talking PvE where people use attribute runes for attributes into which they didnt invest to/dont use instead of general runes they could use. (And they use sup runes + energy armor, so its not like they care about HP.)

If you want to use cheap upgrades, use +5 armor one, plentifull as they drop max on purple items and comparable to +30hp upgrade in usefullness (1 global armor is about equal to 6hp)

Redfeather1975 · Mar 06, 2008, 09:09 AM // 09:09

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Originally Posted by tehlemming

It's still skill over equipment because perfect equipment is stupidly easy to get, compared to other MMOs.

And also in other mmorpgs, if you get all gear with the highest stats possible your hp jumps ridiculously. I remember in EQ2 there was a guy named SuperHP and he had insane gear giving him 13,000+ HP and I only had just under 9,000.

N1ghtstalker · Mar 06, 2008, 09:52 AM // 09:52

cuz perfect stuff goes perfectly matched with skill

Longasc · Mar 06, 2008, 09:55 AM // 09:55

GW has not much itemization compared to other MMOs. We also do not need that much gold for our equipment, except for fancy skins.

So why settle for +29, if we can get a +30 grip and have the feeling of perfection.

If you are on a budget, +29 HP for a hero weapon is smart idea. But I am spoilt enough to give my favorite heroes fancy perfect gear, too.

the_jos · Mar 06, 2008, 10:29 AM // 10:29

The only reason to buy perfect mods is when you have the cash available or if you are playing PvP with a PvE character or PvE equipment.
For PvE, the near perfect upgrades are good enough.

However, there is not enough trading activity (both buying and selling) on those upgrades.
Let's assume a +29HP bow upgrade goes for 1K.
The time for me to sell the item should be less than the time I can earn it's value by farming or regular gameplay.
When I can earn 6K/hour I need to sell the item in 10 minutes.

The same for the buying side:
If I can buy the +29 upgrade for 1K and the perfect one for 3K and can also earn 6K/hour the +29 upgrade would only be profitable if I could obtain it in 20 minutes. If not, I should have earned the 2K extra by playing/farming and have gotten the perfect one.

Now if you can predict when a potential buyer will be in a particular outpost you can make the deal fast and make money.
If not, it could turn out in endless spamming and 'losing money' because you are not playing and earning cash.

Lord Sojar · Mar 06, 2008, 10:46 AM // 10:46

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

That isn't because you happened to stay alive by your last hit point. Its because a game mechanic left you on 1 even though mathematically you should be negative. Being left on 1 hp is very common, and you would still be on 1hp if you had a +30 instead of a +29

If you're talking deep wound mechanics, then you are correct. Disregarding deep wound, you are wrong. If you have 1 HP left without a deep wound on you, then you survived because of that 1HP.

Kityn · Mar 06, 2008, 11:41 AM // 11:41

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Originally Posted by enxa

...does nobody want to buy a +29 hp upgrade? or -5/19 for shield, or 19% longer ehcnantments... Why, oh why???

Personally I do not care if it is perfect. Near perfect is fine by me.

LuckyGiant · Mar 06, 2008, 11:42 AM // 11:42

The reason: Mods appear to drop more regularly, are a guaranteed salvage and are extremely cheap for the wealth people have built over the past 3 years.

Back when sword +30 went for 150k+ a couple of years ago it was a completely different story. 50k+ for +29hp, 15k for +28hp... majority of players settled for less than max mods on most items.

cebalrai · Mar 06, 2008, 12:14 PM // 12:14

Beacause people have money and there aren't a huge number of things to spend $ on in GW.

Pleikki · Mar 06, 2008, 12:19 PM // 12:19

Meh i think everyone like perfect stuff but imo i like my r8 14^50 chaos axe that is customized more then r10 15^50 that would cost same

Avarre · Mar 06, 2008, 01:21 PM // 13:21

Skill is more important.

That does not mean that all other factors are irrelevant.

You want as many advantages as you can get, and flawless equipment is one of them. There have been PvP cases where players have used non-max items and still won, but why take any disadvantage?

Amy Awien · Mar 06, 2008, 04:06 PM // 16:06

The near-perfect stuff drops sufficiently often in loot to not want to go into the WTB/WTS channels and wait, or ask, around for them. When I do trade, I can as well buy the max version of a mod.

Darksun · Mar 06, 2008, 04:38 PM // 16:38

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Originally Posted by CyberMesh0

perfect items = +1 to e-peen. all else fails.
That's how people think. Doesn't mean it makes sense.

CyberMesh nailed it. too true..

Tyla · Mar 06, 2008, 04:41 PM // 16:41

Because people want whats most effective - why go for +29hp when you can get +30hp, sure its only 1hp more, but that 1hp can save your characters life.
The combination of Skill and Equipment is much more effective than just one of them.

I think Avarre has explained it muuuch better than me...

Ouchie · Mar 06, 2008, 04:43 PM // 16:43

Personally I don't care about 1 hp difference I do use 29 and 28 here and there if needed especially on weapons for my heros. Nobody knows whether an item is perfect or not but you